Aaron Build Hatch developed production. Hello, I'm Aaron. Welcome to another episode of Build Hatch. On this week's episode of Build Hatch, I had the opportunity to sit down with the young and hardworking blockes behind JMS built Josh and Jesse. These guys are hardworking team of carpenters, who get around Melbourne providing exceptional carpentry and building services. Working on some amazing projects in Melbourne. I love chatting to these guys, especially hearing from another generation of guys coming up through the ranks. And it was a true pleasure to see how these guys have set themselves apart in providing a leading edge suite of services for the residential and commercial projects. So let's get into Josh and Jesse from JMS built in Melbourne Welcome to Build Hatch. So right now I'm really looking forward to this one I love hearing from particularly the younger generation of carpenters working in the industry. And it's always good to get that sort of different perspective. So like all I guess, we always like to take it back to the very beginning. So you guys always seeking to get into construction from when you were younger?
Jesse
Yeah, pretty much like I was always doing stuff around the house with my old man and kind of always just enjoyed being the hands on our doors, you know, starting high school and all that that was always a career path that I wanted to go down. It changed a bit over the years, but then pretty much when I finished year two, I was like, yeah, I gotta be outside. And so it was looking around trying to find an apprenticeship and landed on carpentry.
Aaron And what about you, Josh?
Josh
No, I was the complete opposite. I had my heart set on racing motorbikes in Europe for for the time that I was young. And then yeah, basically finished year 12. And it didn't quite work out the way we had it planned. So I basically stumbled across a carpentry apprenticeship. I knew I was never going to sit in an office or anything like that. I was always sort of hands on going up but and then yeah, basically stumbled across a carpentry apprenticeship and then fell in love with it and just went with it from there.
Aaron Yeah, your business is called JMS build. So how did you guys meet we friends? Did you grow up together? How did that work?
Jesse
We became friends through friends of friends really. So we both knew a bloke that was friends with each of us from nine us in different ways. And then we just really pretty much hit it off better than anyone else in the friendship group. And so we've only been friends for the last probably like four or five years.
Josh
Yeah, not even it's kind of like it's actually quite funny. When we first met Jesse didn't even like me. So it's just it's really funny when you think back and then now you fast forward a few years and we've got a business and yeah, we yeah, I've talked to him more than I talk to my missus. So it's, it's good how it turns around.
Aaron Alright, so take us back a little bit. Were you both working in similar aspects of carpentry?
Josh
Now we weren't we're in sort of two, two totally different worlds. So I was throughout my whole apprenticeship. I did sort of high end renovations extensions throughout Melbourne. And yeah, so it was all very take your time millimetre perfect, quiet stuff like high end million dollar renovations, which was great. And then Jesse was more out in the burbs, as we call it just knocking up houses for the mass builders. Yeah, well,
Aaron they are completely different. And I guess you could say they complement each other very well,
Josh
a couple of minutes, it now when we can come together and sort of have the best of both worlds at the knowledge of both. So we can sort of, yeah, make sure that we're getting the best quality product that we can.
Aaron Now there'll be a lot of young guys, as soon as these two are sort of sitting back thinking, when do I take the plunge? How do I take the plunge? And what sort of tools do you put into place to be able to make that step? So what sort of was it a conversation to to kick started, like, how did it happen?
Josh
It was actually, it was actually a night at the pub? Yeah, funnily enough, we were just talking and it turned on two hours, maybe six months from finishing my apprenticeship. And Jessie was probably 12 months, something like that from finishing his apprenticeship. And we just kind of clicked with Oh, hang on a minute here. Like, what I don't want to I don't want to do it by myself. And it was a bit of a joke. Oh, yeah. No, you go to the bar and put on the business card and and then all of a sudden, we kind of yeah, by the end of the night, it was like right sleep and six months or 12 months we'll have a business together and it's pretty much how it turned out.
Aaron We sort of thinking about like getting the work did you have some contacts in place?
Josh
We're lucky enough that again, we sort of had the quality of work throughout my apprenticeship and a couple of contacts through myself and same with Jesse that we could get on board with a couple of different supervisors and builders to get us the work once we sort of had about a month's worth of work guaranteed lined up. We you know, made sure that we could you know, at least pay the bills for a for a month and then we just gave out two weeks notice and yeah, we had just throw ourselves in headfirst.
Aaron So how much work did you have lined up in that? First sort of beginning stage,
Jesse
we only had obviously, it was through one builder that we started off with, and it was just knocking up, it was from full jobs. So frame fit off, frame, lock up, fix and fit off. And it was pretty much just here's your first one, when you finish that you can go on to the next one if you want. And so we just thought, Alright, we'll just go one by one, see how we go. And yeah, so it's just you finish that job next week, on to the next one, just keep doing a lot that and we finish rolling. Yeah. And at first, we're like, oh, yeah, this is great. Because, you know, it's just, keep going. And like, at that point, it wasn't so much hunting for the work, because the next one was just there ready for us to go?
Josh
Well, pretty lucky in the fact that it was like a retirement village down in Geelong. So they, I think they had like 250 units or something in the whole complex. And we're coming in at like number 170, or 160, or something. So we knew there was a good sort of 12 months worth of work there. Ahead of us if that's where we wanted to stay. It's definitely not where we wanted to stay and not the direction we wanted the business to go in. But it was guaranteed work essentially for for the first six to 12 months of the business. So it was just like, alright, let's just crack on and make some money.
Aaron I like that approach, because it's kind of like, all that type of project. And construction can be a very much low margin high turnover business. So it's really good that you had the foresight to, I guess, look at the volume and the the repetitive work in front of you, particularly early on in your career, which is very fortunate as well. So
Josh
well, all the work was all purchase order work. So you know, you're not quoting anything, it's just, you know, you know, the frame and lock UPS gonna be you know, your AK or 9k, whatever it is, and then your fix is going to be this and you fit off is going to be that and it's just like, well, you kind of work out your own systems in yourself that you minimise the amount of time we do on every job to I mean, down to we could almost work out in hours, how many hours it would take us to do each house. And at the end of the day, the quicker you can do it, the more money you're going to make. So it was good, because we could put in processes into the business early to really work out how long each sort of job will take us.
Aaron You mentioned purchase orders. So there'll be a lot of people listening this who don't understand what that what that means. Because traditionally in I guess custom architectural build businesses, they may not have that model, it's a fixed price and whatever it costs, what is whatever it cost, but the purchase order model is more about higher volume builds. So they actually come to you and tell you what that purchase order amount is done.
Josh
Yeah, it's terrible. It's, it's terrible. Yeah, I'm glad that we don't do a lot of that work anymore, per se. But I mean, when you're first starting out, you're kind of restricted with what you can do. So you've just got to take what you can get. And
Jesse
it was good to start with. Yeah. Because like you kind of at the end of the day, you knew what you're getting
Aaron each week. Yeah. So like, take us through how that works. So that say they give you a purchase order for feed off, what does that look like.
Josh
But basically, this had, you know, you fit off price, I say it's 1500 bucks for your fit off. And then once you finish that fit off, you send the invoice in, send that purchase order attach with the invoice, and then you get paid within 14 days on in 14 days from the time that you send it in. So it's very lucky said it's very, you know, low margin high volume areas, because, you know, they're not paying the greatest rates. So, you know, they're going to try and squeeze everything they can because they're they're producing, you know, 40 houses a month.
Aaron Yeah, that's right. So, so effectively, the builders already quoted or price this in their own business. Yeah. And they're basically coming to you and saying, Here's a purchase order, which is effectively just a fancy word for for a number or a code. Yeah. And then basically that code or number says, Alright, so your purchase order number is ABCD, EFG, ABCDEFG. And it's $1,500 of feed off or might be $8,000. For frames and trusses. Yeah, yeah. And so there's no art. I think it's worth 10. Or, I mean, you can say all your life, but usually it's a case of
Jesse
Oh, yeah, I mean, the first couple of the first couple of ones that we did it opened our eyes to Yeah, okay, this is, you know, there's no variations of here, there's no talking about pricing or extras or you know, cutthroat to just get one extra put through no matter how annoying or, you know, we had the some of the girder trusses that they were lifting up were like 280 kilos, because they're 1314 metres long, or with LVRs and they'd get dropped at the other side of the site, and you couldn't even get an extra because you got to have two people carry it, you know, 100 metres 200 metres down the road to get into the house and they wouldn't pay extras for that and stuff. But, you know, it's all learning experience. And we implement that now to our jobs so that you know, now we make sure that what's the access like on site, what's this like on site so that way we don't make the same mistakes. So we get caught up in Before
Aaron yeah, there's no real magic formula for knowing about those experiences in advance is a you just have to kind of live and breathe it yourself is going to pop it on the chin. Yeah, look, it's a great attitude to have now, you guys are well known for effectively being a carpentry sort of Sprint crew, you know, this sort of high end contract workforce model for builders. So how did you sort of morph into that and get a name for yourself in that sort of part of the business
Jesse
that pretty much took, like, obviously Josh's experience from his apprenticeship and doing His work with his old boss of the high end stuff. So you've got that high in detail, the architectural plans, and then combine that with the speed that I was taught as an apprentice, and been able to combine those two together, that you actually do get a real good finish, because Josh has been reading those plans, you know, you get full architectural, it's a lot different TMS build stuff, and used to be able to bring those two together to create almost a hybrid of carpentry
Josh
thing is sort of forgotten as well, between, you know, you have your cheapies that subcontract into builders on the high end stuff. And then you have your chippies that are still working for their first boss, or their second boss on the mass frames, pumping out frames, there's kind of no in between. And that's where I think we're great, because we come in between, you know, we're not going to knock out your frame in three days, like they might do in the suburbs, it might take us, you know, six or seven, but it'll be the quality of the ones that are going to take, you know, the high end stuff. So it's the kind of that happy medium between between two. Yeah, it's very important.
Aaron And I think that can be that danger model of the purchase order model that we're talking about previously. Because what that does is that incentivizes speed, but not necessarily quality definitely doesn't incentivize quality.
Josh
That's for sure.
Aaron That's right. Whereas the it's, like you said, seeing a gap in the market and thinking well, how can we combine this dynamic and and our previous business model and morphing that DNA into something that's particularly, you know, at the time of recording this in 2022, there's margins being squeezed as this price is being squeezed. So it is very much about coming up with a leadership model and leading by getting yourself out there and say, Well, we have done this type of work before. But we want to do that the high end work and kudos for you guys for having that mature outlook. There'll be people listening to this who think, well, this is great, we've, we've been able to see how you guys have taken this model, and you've gone out on your own and particularly very fortunate doing it. So close to finishing your apprenticeship, I hear a lot of challenges from guys saying, How do I find the time to quote jobs and things like that? So how do you sort of juggle that pressure
Josh
quite early on, when we first started quoting jobs and getting into that aspect, it was a bit of Jessie and I had to build trust within each other so that, you know, we know that if Jesse is quitting a job, I know that, you know, he knows what he's doing, and vice versa toward me. And that takes a fair of took a fair while for us to work out our own systems within each other. Like, you know, we we made Mr. Plenty of mistakes at the start. But now I think we've got a pretty good system in place. And now it's kind of like, Alright, we've got enough work on now that sort of one of us takes a step back. And one of us does more of the bouquet bouquet encoding and stuff like that well, and other ones overlooking the boys on site and running more things on site. But at the start, it was just a lot of late nights. A lot of late nights coding together and ordering pizza, it was fun. I think you got to experience that otherwise, you know, you never know what's going to happen. Otherwise, you stick in the same, the same rut of doing purchase order work and you never evolve.
Aaron Yeah, look, it's a hard juggle to do to be able to take yourself away from the business, particularly when you're quoting man hours involved in that job. So effectively, it's, it's that friction of taking yourself out of that production plan, if you like, yeah, and then going outside of the business a little bit to try and bring more work in and spending some time quoting that
Josh
I found it a lot harder, I'm finding a lot harder, making sure that you know, even if, say I come in late or not late, I'm doing office work in the morning when the boys get there then go to site, that it's like shit, you know, I don't want the boys you know, Jesse to think that I'm his partner out in the office and just, you know, kicking back and say, you know, gonna make sure that everything you're doing is for the business. You know, there's a lot of people out there that get distracted in Oh, you know, the boys are on site making money, I can kick back and go out for coffee or go to get lunch or something like that. Whereas you can't, like you've got to be on top of it. And you gotta have your finger on the pulse no matter where you are in the business. You guys
Aaron similar personalities or you obviously mates first and then you obviously have your business relationship as well. But how do you juggle different roles and responsibility within your business? Well, we
Jesse
pretty much went and worked out between ourselves. Alright, who's going to be sued better suited for what? And so, through doing personality tests, I pretty much found out that I'm better off being on site with the boys kind of keeping them in line telling them what to do. That's more suited to my personality of being there with them.
Aaron So how did you know to get to do a personality test?
Josh
We're actually lucky enough that we have a really good business mentor that we got onto pretty early in our business. Yeah, we put a lot of faith into him. And he basically told us both been on site is going to work out sort of role within the business within the business role with each other. And yeah, we did personality tests online. And yeah, it just worked out that I was more suited sort of organising clients, talking to clients, talking to builders, talking to suppliers, talking to trade supervisors, everyone on that side of things, whereas Jesse's more of the hard ass boys. You know, getting get the ball rolling. So we need to get this job over the line. We got deadlines voice.
Aaron What were the names of your your personality types?
Jesse
One thing back is Commander. I'm pretty sure it was.
Aaron Amanda, it sounds like Josh, you would have been the CEO.
Josh
Yeah, basically. Yeah. Yeah.
Jesse
It was director. Yeah.
Aaron And were you surprised when you got to sort of do that exercise?
Josh
No, not really. Yeah.
Jesse
Boy, yeah, I think we knew it all. I'm always a bit of a pushover with the boys as Jessie's I know, you, you know, you'll get this done. Now you'll go sweep the floors. Now. That night, it kind of didn't come as a surprise, but it was good to have it in front of us from sort of a third party to say, okay, these are your two roles and, you know, just go with it.
Aaron Now, what are you sort of favourite type of projects that you're really enjoying working on at the moment,
Jesse
my favourite is coming from the apprenticeship is the framing. So like when we're doing those architectural frames, that for me is just like that's the best part of the job. Because you're going in you're looking at these plans, you know, you get the curved walls, the three and a half metre tall walls, all that kind of stuff integrated with steel and so like those kind of jobs for me just to get in and you're starting with a bare slab. And when you walk away at the end of the week or two weeks, whatever, you you've got a house framed up. And so that's definitely the most enjoyable part of it.
Aaron For me, that's probably the quickest amount of progress you see on site isn't in a short period of time. Yeah, definitely.
Josh
I'm pretty well the same I think the framing part of it although Jesse is a much better frame with and faster framing of it, I am I do enjoy getting out on the frames as well. But I think the finished product or the work is what my is what I like like from your walk into a for example, a bathroom renovation and you walk in at some bathroom from the 80s or the 70s. And it looks very dated. And then you know, we walk out 910 weeks later, whatever it is, and it looks like this ultra modern awesome you know bathroom that grandma and grandpa love and enjoy it. I think that's the best bit for me seeing the transformation from the from the old to new.
Aaron I was saying earlier, you're well known as being this sprint carpentry career if you like and, and working productively in and around Melbourne so so what uh, I guess some of the key characteristics of of you guys and how you've been able to develop that, that brand and name for yourselves.
Josh
I think a major, major thing for me from my apprenticeship as well was having a really good company morale and company policy policies in place. Throughout my apprenticeship, the morale wasn't exactly the greatest sort of on site between a lot of the workers. For me, that was like the culture of the business was the number one priority. As much as you know, she probably should be making money and whatnot. It's sort of the the culture of the boys and who we hire was the number one priority, because you want someone that everyone's going to get along with and you have your bad days. But I think that reflects while of us on site and reflects in our work as well, because no one really has any arguments or disagreements or, you know, no one cracks the sheets on side. Because the end of the day, every you know, everyone walking past that you're walking advertisement for your business. So if your boys are yelling and swearing and carrying on and throwing guns around, well, it doesn't look doesn't look good on us. So that was the main one for me. So I think that's what reflects well, in our work
Aaron the key driver in your business, and what you guys do is I guess, very thorough planning, isn't it? So yeah, like being thrown out, particularly in the current times? When, if if something's not delivered on site, or you get a phone call today, and so listen, Josh and Jesse, tomorrow's not gonna work out. We haven't had something delivered for you. How does that throw you out?
Jesse
It's definitely like we'll go through at the start of the week and you know, your plan, your two weeks ahead of you and what you've got, and you'll find almost every day were reshuffling that calendar. So it's almost kind of as long as we've always got that next job that we can go on to that's ready for us to bring for that day works out. There's always some times where there is no other job to go on to. But it's definitely yeah, like, constantly re shuffling. And the calendar, which has just become a part of it now where, like Josh mentioned earlier, one of us is in the office, you know, for an extra half hour an hour in the morning, just making sure that what we've got planned for the next day calling to confirm deliveries, calling to confirm for scaffold, whatever it might be, is actually good for us to start that job. Because the sooner we can get on to rearranging, the easier it is for us to actually handle.
Aaron It's almost planning on foot, isn't it? To some degree? Definitely,
Josh
it's on an hourly basis, almost sometimes, like I think, yes, the last week, we had a call three different calls from the same supervisor about three different times that trusses are getting delivered, it's just part of it like and then to plank gets pushed back, and then scaffold gets pushed back. And it's just like, alright, well, it's just hour by hour by hour basis of what's getting delivered and what's coming when, and then that's if, you know, if the crane does rock up to lift the steel, or lift the sheet floor, if they don't get held up or in a car accident on the way and then all of a sudden, whatever it is,
Aaron you know, I remember back in the day, there were people that that was their job, they had a full time role. And that was part of the contract administrators role. The the estimate is rolling that they were constantly using Microsoft Project, and planning and sequencing and, you know, the critical path analysis and all these critical stages. And nowadays, it's like, you know, for the best part, unless it's a huge commercial, complicated project. A lot of the guys I talked to it's very much that by the time you plan something, you just constantly got to adapt. It's more about the communication aspect rather than anything else.
Josh
Yeah, I found that's massive between Jesse and I lately, as well, it's, the supervisor might need to say I might be the point of contact the supervisor. But if Jesse is the one on site, he's the one that actually has to know that this has been pushed out or this has been brought forward. So the communication between everyone is just absolute key. And if you don't have the communication down, then you're in a world of trouble.
Aaron The variety of materials and cladding and things like that, that are on the market right now that they're forever changing. So how do you juggle that aspect of working with new products and materials and incorporating that into your quoted work?
Jesse
Oh, one thing that really benefits us, which we went to one a couple of weeks ago, is when cladding companies put on demo days, and so actually going and learning the product first. And you know, their way of installing it, their way of how it needs to go up cutting all that kind of stuff, to then come to when it goes to quoting for the job, we already know what needs to be done, because we've already had that one on one experience with a brand wrap on how to put it on. And so it kind of then we have a fair idea on right, this is actually going to take us a little bit longer than what we might have thought because we now know the proper way of doing it, which is a huge benefit those kinds of days for us that Yeah, to actually get the experience. It's
Josh
also not being afraid to reach out to other people that might have had might have had experience working with it. Like, if we don't know, then it's just like, Okay, well, we have to get educated. And if we haven't seen something before one of the demo days or the trade, what are they called expos, and the bones expos and things like that. We haven't seen something that we've seen, or Hey, hang on, this guy I saw he installed it on Instagram, you know, a couple of months ago, let's go back and click on the message. And all you can do is ask about what the goal is and how they installed it. And if they're willing to help, they're willing to help. But if they're not, then they're not you just sort of go for it. But nine times out of 10, you'll find that people are always so willing to help each other.
Aaron Yeah, look, that's very important. And I think that's one of the greatest things about our construction industry is you hear some bad stuff. But all in all, most of the time, it's very Collegian, and if you are unsure about a particular product, you can ring up someone, they might say, Look, I know such and such he instals it. And we're not even talking about where you might have to go there and work for nothing to for him to show you how to use that particular product. Yeah, most guys, you know, I've heard some great stories where people will say, Well, look, you know, what's your hourly rate, I'll give me a cost, you know, a cost price or a minimum hourly rate. I can kind of incorporate you onto the job. And you know, it's not like you're doing a day's work for free. But I'll pay for your time and you can help us and we'll show you how to use the product because there's so much work out there.
Jesse
Yeah, it is really good. You find mostly are we found mostly that everyone you talk to like within the same industry or even within the same trade. Everyone's happy to give each other hand when they need to like it's been quite often that people have reached out to us as a hey, I need I need a couple of days work next week. Do you guys have anything free? Like yeah, for sure. No worries, you can jump on and help us out and then vice versa. If we dry up and we need our apprentices or us to go somewhere for a couple of days, just because of delays and the way the way the industry is then it's reciprocated. So it's actually quite good.
Aaron Yeah, 100%. Now, what's on for the future with JMS built? Where are you guys heading?
Josh
Ideally, we'd like to go for our builders licence, we're going to go a few more years of pretty much just growing where we're at the moment, get that more industry based experience. Yeah. And once we go for our builders licence, it's then taking on the project for ourselves, instead of working underneath another builder,
It's especially hard to because we are younger, a lot of people don't take as serious as what I think we deserve realistically. And that's not having an ego. That's just the fact that we know what we can produce. And, you know, being someone that 24 and Jesse's only 22. So, you know, they say, Go for your builder's licence, and they see a 24 year old, that's, you know, been out of his apprenticeship a couple of years, and he doesn't have the experience, but it's just like, well, we've been running jobs and running bathroom kitchen, small renovations, even larger scale renovations ourselves, for builders that aren't necessarily fully involved in the build themselves, they're sort of leaving it on to us. So it's just sort of building up our reputation a bit for more years, so that we can use go for the builders licence to take on the bigger projects in our own name, rather than other builders.
Aaron I think that's very refreshing to hear. Because it's very difficult to have that discipline to be patient. I think a lot of people who are listening to this will get a lot out of that, because the one important, and I guess beneficial attribute in construction is there's so much work out there. People appreciate more now than ever, that paying people to do good work is a high priority. So just having that maturity and patience to kind of just do the hard yards, get the groundwork done, that time will come on, like you said, getting yourself out there, getting the reputation learning from the best so that you can then become the best. That's patience and, and maturity all in one, I think.
Josh
yeah, I'd like to think that at the moment, that position they're out and the work we do we are while we are one of the best at what we do. So it's just like, we don't want to move in and jump too far ahead of ourselves and and drown. You know, you got to be smart and you know, make all your steps count.
Aaron What's the hardest part of running a construction business? Cash Flow?
Josh
Yeah, cash flow. Definitely, especially at the moment, different builders, being very wary obviously, with what they're doing and and how they're distributing their own funds themselves. So you know, you've got to make sure you have your buffer there. Otherwise, you know, it can catch up on you're pretty quick.
Jesse
With that, though. There's also like you mentioned earlier, the on site stuff of just constant delays, delivery delays, when the trade before us meant to finish a meant to be going in for a fix. But the plasters haven't even hung the plaster yet, or whatever it might be. So that's definitely just the calendar, the rearranging the calendar on the constant is definitely one of the challenges.
Aaron Yeah, look, I love enlightening people who say our clients and then they're not involved in the construction industry. And we're not talking about a restaurant where it's fragmented in hospitality as well. We have different suppliers and things like that, but but we have different sites, or restaurants in the same location. And yeah, used to using the same delivery guy. Like there's just so many different parameters in construction that create so many dramas and headaches. So it's just nothing's ever the same day is
Josh
no, I think at one point, we actually talked about travel, we had one job in Sorento that we're doing for a week or two. And we had another job back close to home. And then we still had a job down in Geelong that we're doing at the same time and you're driving between all three and trying to manage all three when they're not, you know, if they're within half an hour's drive, it's not so bad. But when you're talking about, you know, two or three hours to get to, to get to certain jobs that it starts to get us started to get a bit tricky, so those delays become a lot more challenging.
Aaron Well, you know, you guys are the sprint crew when you're able to catch the Queenscliff ferry. Ever take too long.
Jesse
Yeah, you gotta make the most of it.
Aaron That's true commitment that is getting the ferry across Port Phillip Bay.
Josh
Yeah, it's a good ferry wire. The premise is like it as if it's your bet.
Aaron Oh, well, look, it's been really nice talking to you here in Melbourne. And if they want to get into contact with you, and they're looking for, you know, young dynamic up and coming sprint crew of of carpentry workforce, how do they go about it? What's the best way to get into contact with you guys?
Josh
The best way is in the way the world at the moment, Instagram and social media and Facebook and whatnot. And then we've also got a website as well, obviously, our emails and our phone numbers are all linked to that. So if you are looking for any high class, high quality work, let us know.
Aaron All right, well, just on that. You mentioned social media. So with your dynamics in your age group of people doing tick tock now with with construction businesses, or what's the goal with that?
Josh
I think apprentices are I think, tick tock at lunchtime and making their own little videos. Personally, I haven't, or we haven't, but you do see it. I think eventually it's going to, I mean, it's like anything really all the older craves and whatnot, eventually trickle into every industry. So I think it's inevitable that will happen, but I'm not sure I'll be jumping on doing any dances. But
Aaron yeah, it seems it doesn't seem to be a serious thing. I don't know, with construction and what you like, you know, you've got a work site. There's obviously the inspired, unemployed and like, it's a piss take thing, which is, yeah, it's funny. And it's amusing, of course, and, and very entertaining. But I think from an actual business perspective, running business in construction, depending on what clientele you want, but yeah, very much about having that seriousness to it as well, I think,
Josh
yeah, it depends on how you want to market your business and the audience that you want. If you Yeah, if you want to go and do a couple million dollar renovation to a house in in Brighton or to rock or something like that. And they log online, they see dancing around trying to flip a bottle on site, or whatever it is, I don't think they're going to take it too seriously. So people want to do it, that's up to them, but that's how they want to market their business. But we'll just stick to making real to the boys putting frames together or installing installing vanities or shell cabinets or something like that, that we know we can get done.
Aaron Now well said and it's always always good to hear an interesting perspective. So all right, well, Josh and Jesse from JMS building Melbourne it's been really nice to sit down and talk to you here in Melbourne. So thanks again for coming on to Build Hatch.
Jesse
Alright, thanks for having thanks for having us.
Aaron Well, that was another Build Hatch episode with Josh and Jesse from JMS building Melbourne. Like I said at the start, these guys have a real edge of what they are providing, and a well sought after by leading builders in Melbourne. So I encourage you to go check them out. As usual, if you know a hard worker having a go in the construction space, or a building related business personal product, we love what they are doing or selling them, please do get into contact with us. And we'll be more than happy to tell their story and get behind the goods or services on the Build Hatch marketplace. Our team are busy rolling out independent sells on Build Hatch.com As we speak, so stay tuned for more and more products and services as they onboard. As usual, please check out our Instagram page and other socials where you'll be able to learn more about our guests and some of the features of the work that we talked about. Have a great week and you hear me again on the airwaves next week. Thanks for listening to another episode of Build Hatch.
